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Jason King
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Something to ponder?

85% of the world's published scientific output is generated by 8 countries, headed by the US, UK, Germany and Japan. However, only 2 scientists out of this month's TOP TEN work in these countries.

hilltrekker
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Hi parvoman

Hi parvoman
yes, it seems strange, may be they are more busy elsewhere. Overall this is as an era of information explosion I suppose in many scientific and non-scientific matters, thanks to all the people who work in extening informations arround the world.
 

Omai
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I believe this just

I believe this just represents the growth of science worlwide, and it is my guess that within the next 5-10 years, that 85% output will shrink as the rest of the world catches up both scientifically and economically.
 
Omai

Jitendra Sinha
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Parvoman!

Parvoman!
This struck me also that 8 out of top ten are from a developing country, where people are trying to catch-up with the rest of the world. But due to the lack of resources, funds, etc still they are striving hard to come-up. Its still a long way to go.
I believe that if given a chance, these people can contribute substantially. You have put forward a good topic to ponder.

Arvind Singh Pundir
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Hi Parvoman,

Hi Parvoman,
nice to see you often raising some pondering facts i think you are not accepting the fact that the world is changing, developing countries are striving hard to walk  along with the developed  countries like US ,UK and others you should take into account that these developing countries have many limiting obstacles in the form of  economy, population, litreacy, of  these main is infrastructure which depends on money as we know that  to do science we do need sound financial support .in which the developing countries like mine  are still lagging but one day we hope it will be overcomed by passing time and the time will change...................these are purely my personal views and some of us may or may not agree with that.........
Parvoman i understand the point where you have pointed in saying that 85% of published science is done in developed countries and there representation is not seen Monthly TOP TEN on  this valuable web resource this is something which can be discussed in detail.........   apology !!  if there are  editable words
 

Ivan Delgado
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I agree with the other posts that the world is catching up with their scientific publication output such that the number of papers published by different countries is getting more even. At the same time though, here are some thoughts to consider: 
1. Even if you have eight top scientists from other countries in this month's TOP TEN, you have to realize that the number of scientists at the traditionally top 8 countries is significantly larger than in these other countries. In other words, For every TOP scientists at these other countries there are dozens, if not more, scientists publishing slightly less at these 8 countries. 
2. At least in the US there has been a significant shift towards fewer but more significant publications. The fact that post-docs are not going to be the life-time careers they used to points at fewer publications that can start a career as a professor, instead of many publications over years of post-doc work
3. Another consideration is that many scientists in the US are moving away from scientific publications and more towards economic applications (patents, starting companies, etc). While this is only a minor component of the publication number, it is something to consider. 
My two cents
 

Shampa
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I will say Parvoman has just

I will say Parvoman has just put forward a simple point that will motivate people like us belonging to the developing countries to strive harder and achieve the best. But I don't know why things are becoming hot!

g a
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Hi All

Hi All
I think the point of brain drain needs to be put forward too. People Pursuing the PhDs in the developing nation will look forward for a Post doctoral research experience in developed nations, and many of the Publications ( I presume > 65% ) will show multiple authors from the developing nations , So in Part the collaboration of the developing nations becomes more significant and at the same time anomalous too as the working researcher may be belonging to a developing country but then they are publishing while working In other countries.
 

Jason King
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I am all in favour of

I am all in favour of increasing the diversity of scientists actively posting on this site. Of course, just as with international publications, there will be an advantage for scientists whose english language is good. This may be the reason why, of the "developing" nations, India is so well represented.
For sure, science is highly international. As one post mentioned almost all US publications will have non-US researchers in the author lists. And as Ivan said, there are a lot more scientists working in the more developed countries so one would expect most of the output to come from there. The point I was making initially is why are these scientists so under-represented on this site?
The appearance of the TOP TEN list each month probably has something to do with the reward system and the level of scientist salaries around the world. As a result, the average quality of posts has dropped and I think this could persuade potential newbie scientists to look elsewhere for their solutions. This would be a shame.

g a
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HI Parvoman

HI Parvoman
I totally agree with you on the point that quality of posts has decreased recently, although I am a newcomer myself but couldn't help resisting that the posts which I checked (from years back) and found there still were interesting questions left to answer and I after I joined I found some really irrelevent answers to the posts without any sign of analytical answers. I think somewhere sooner the moderators have to keep a check over it as the total number of quality posts is decreasing. I myself have failed to get the answers for a number of questions I asked............ now whether thats because I couldnot find a scientist to answer that or because the posts were shadowed by the unnecessary posts.
At the same time another question of relevance is how to decide the post value?????
I think the quality of the posts can further be improved again by restricting the point systems based upon the quality of the posts by the members.
Also there has to be a check on the individual posts by the members as some members in the forum post irrelevent details while answering a post. Although not acceptable, but once a while we can think of the point but then overall number of such posts is really a threat to the Quality expected from the Scientist solutions.
Regards

hilltrekker
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Hi Parvoman

Hi Parvoman
Yes, the quality and diversity both need to be maintained and I also feel all of the posts are coming from a few and related fields only. There are many streams which although very important yet seem to be under-represented especially the medicine, nuclear physics, applied chemistry etc. Since there seem to be very few experts here on these subjects , there is need to encourage the knowledge from these fields also, after all where every development of experiments will find the real in-vivo testing and application. If I am living in a community of agricultural scientists, does it mean the other sciences like neuroscience or nuclear physics are not a science or if anybody posts on this subject, it will be labelled as irrelavant?  I think there should also be mods' from these fields to regulate the things
I think there should be analysis of all these factors to keep the things going on in a smooth and educating way.  

Jason King
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First impressions are very

First impressions are very important. If a new scientist discovers the site and sees the sort of nonsense that is going on at the moment, they are likely to leave and very unlikely to either return or recommend the site to their colleagues. Scientists have great networks because we travel around so much and so there is great potential to spread the word. We just need to ensure that it is a positive message that is being passed on!

sps
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Om SGN!

Om SGN!
This is my first response to any of the posts made here. I think its hot disscussion going on. What I want to say is that we come here to discuss scientific problems and interests and should not engage in such kind of debate over regional things.